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who are the "other sheep"?

by cameo-d in

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any specific identifying information?.

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I found this explanation from a N.I.V BIBLE COMMENTARY:

John 10:16

OTHER SHEEP = It is commonly understood that Jesus was referring to the future Gentile believers as His "other sheep." He was telling His Jewish disciples that His flock would include believers from all nationalities. But Jehovah's Witnesses attach a different meaning to this text. They contrast the "other sheep" here with the "little flock" mentioned in Luke 12:32. JWs say the "little flock" are the 144,000 spirit-anointed believers who make up the body of Christ and who will go to heaven, while the "other sheep" include all other believers who receive everlasting life here on earth. JWs teach that the opportunity to become part of the "little flock" ended back in the year 1935, so more than 99 percent of JWs today consider themselves in the "other sheep" class. To refute the doctrine that Christians are divided into heavenly and earthly classes, see Revelation 7:4 (about the "little flock" of the 144,000), and Revelation 7:9 (about the "great crowd" of "other sheep"). In addition, JWs teach that all pre-Christian believers are in the "other sheep" class, thus Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the prophets, and so on, do not go to heaven. The best response is to read Hebrews 11:1-40 with a special emphasis on Hebrews 11:13, 16 showing they desired a "heavenly" country and a "city." Hebrews 12:22 indicates this is the heavenly Jerusalem. Paul contrasts the enemies of Christ as those who have their "minds on earthly things" while the Christian has his "citizenship in heaven" (Philippians 3:19, 20). Also see related JW texts in Psalm 37:9, 11; Psalm 37:29; Psalm 115:16; Luke 23:43; and Revelation 7:9.

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2009 JW Devival theme - "Keep on the Watch!"

by kurtbethel in

all right boys and girls.

the devival is coming!.

annual conventions to begin in may 2009. jehovahs witnesses have organized the keep on the watch!

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brokenwatch.jpg broken watch image by skullkidjorge

WHAT THE 2009 THEME SHOULD BE CALLED: '' KEEP ON THE WATCH CAUSE OUR WATCH HAS BEEN BROKEN SINCE 1879."

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If women are included in the group of 144,000, what part do they play in the WTS?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

i believe that the entire watchtower religion/publishing company is built on the foundation of the chosen "faithful and discreet slave".

there really isn't a ''faithful and discreet slave'' or any men or women that are chosen to form a ''faithful and discreet'' class.

the governing body and lawyers control the wts.

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I believe that the entire Watchtower religion/publishing company is built on the foundation of the chosen "faithful and discreet slave". There really isn't a ''faithful and discreet slave'' or any men or women that are chosen to form a ''faithful and discreet'' class. The Governing Body and lawyers control the WTS. Wouldn't these men and women be put to a greater use?

If women are included in this group of 144,000, what is the official reason the WTS give as to why they can't pray for the congregation,conduct a book study,become an Elder,Circuit Overseer,or District Overseer ? What benefit are they if they can't take part in any of these functions?

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COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT HEAR AT THE WT STUDY: Help Them Return Without Delay!

by Mary in

how do you read?

q 7. what can we encourage those who have strayed from the flock to do?.

106:13) it may be helpful to remind an inactive one that "the faithful and discreet slave" is dispensing excellent spiritual food.

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They are the masters in taking Jesus away and putting the ''faithful and discreet slave'' in his place. Notice paragraph 1 how Jesus had ''sayings of everlasting life." Notice paragraphs 10,11 how the ''faithful and discreet slave'' have the sayings of everlasting life( spiritual food ) and not Jesus.

Also,paragraphs 10,11 mention how the Israelites "forgot God's works". They replace God's works with....'' today some forget how the person originally learned the truth from( the faithful and discreet slave).''

Q1. What did Peter say when many disciples abandoned Jesus?

JESUS CHRIST was once abandoned by many disciples who rejected one of his teachings. "You do not want to go also, do you?" he asked his apostles. Peter replied: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life." (John 6:51-69)

Q 10, 11. What reasoning may be effective in trying to help one who had a different understanding of some Bible teaching?

10. Some may have left God's flock because they did not agree with some Scriptural teaching. The Israelites freed from Egyptian bondage "forgot [God's] works" on their behalf and "did not wait for his counsel" (Ps. 106:13) It may be helpful to remind an inactive one that "the faithful and discreet slave" is dispensing excellent spiritual food. (Matt. 24:45) That is how the person originally learned the truth. So why should he not be determined to walk in the truth again? -2 John 4.

The entire Watchtower is built on the foundation of the chosen "faithful and discreet slave". Once that collapses the whole foundation cracks.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-11-09 WT Study (STRAY)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 01-11-09 wt study (november 15, 2008, pages (8-12)(stray).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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HELP THOSE WHO STRAY FROM THE FLOCK
"Rejoice with me, because I have found my sheep that was lost."--LUKE 15:6

According to the WTS,the reasons why members become inactive:

Discouragement, health problems, or other factors may have weakened their zeal.

Satan takes advantage of fleshly weaknesses and uses the world in an attempt to lead Jehovah's sheep into sinful activities.

Inactive ones are particularly vulnerable and therefore need assistance in order to apply the admonition to 'walk by spirit.

In the present system of things, many people spend an entire lifetime trying to amass wealth, but just one life is worth much more than all the money in the world. Jesus emphasized this in his illustration of the lost sheep.

The real reasons why I and many others become inactive:

Too many meetings,never doing enough,service time slips,disfellowshipping policies,U.N. debacle,the ''generation'' change,the increase of Memorial partakers,child molestation lawsuits, blood policy(no whole blood but can take fractions),WTS selling New York real estate when the ''end'' is so near,no more subscriptions of the Watchtower(must pick it up at local congregation....afraid Blondie will tear it apart) and many others.

Great job BLONDIE!

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Can somone scan the '' w2007 5/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

can someone scan the whole article for me?

i found a great answer to my question: could the "memorial" night and number of partakers be all fake?.

trevor scott said:.

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Can someone scan the whole article for me? I found a great answer to my question: Could the "Memorial" night and number of partakers be all fake?

Trevor Scott said:

I don't believe the published number of partakers is accurate. The number went down previously because the Watchtower Society wanted the number to go down, because it provided them with some "evidence" for the nearness of the end. Now the number is going up because the Society WANTS it to go up. Why? One possibility is that artificially raising the number of partakers provides the WTS with a means of doing away with the 1935 cutoff year for anointed.

Given the fact that the Governing Body knows full well their prophesied "end" is NOT just around the corner, they needed to do away with the 1935 year. If they didn't get rid of the 1935 cutoff they'd eventually run out of anointed in the same way that they ran out of the "1914 generation". Running out of anointed means no more "faithful and discreet slave", and where is that concept in their end-time doctrine? The entire Watchtower religion/publishing company is built on the foundation of the chosen "faithful and discreet slave". No memorial partakers means no slave means no governing body means no Watchtower religion.

When the 1914 generation dwindled to the point of no return, the WTS dumped the date. The 1935 generation has approached the same point. By artificially raising the number of partakers, the Society can then point at the increase in partakers as "evidence" that 1935 was not the cutoff after all. Note:

*** w07 5/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful. Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.

So the Society points to the (artificial) increase in partakers as evidence that the calling of anointed did not end in 1935: "Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends." This opens the door for more anointed, which extends the collective lifetime of the "faithful and discreet slave" and by extension the governing body.

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Could the "Memorial" night and number of partakers be all fake?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

faithful and discreet slave, a distinct class of people comprising the remaining ones of the 'anointed[1]' 144,000[2], or "the remnant"[3] that is "appointed over" others to "give them their food at the proper time", based on their interpretation of matthew 24:45 ("a faithful and wise servant" kjv).. .

each year at the annual "memorial" only the anointed class of members partake of the emblems.

everyone else is an observer.. did you ever think that the memorial is only a display to keep their authority over the rank and file ?

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Thank you Trevor for uncovering the WTS deception!

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Could the "Memorial" night and number of partakers be all fake?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

faithful and discreet slave, a distinct class of people comprising the remaining ones of the 'anointed[1]' 144,000[2], or "the remnant"[3] that is "appointed over" others to "give them their food at the proper time", based on their interpretation of matthew 24:45 ("a faithful and wise servant" kjv).. .

each year at the annual "memorial" only the anointed class of members partake of the emblems.

everyone else is an observer.. did you ever think that the memorial is only a display to keep their authority over the rank and file ?

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Faithful and Discreet Slave, a distinct class of people comprising the remaining ones of the 'anointed [1] ' 144,000 [2] , or "the remnant" [3] that is "appointed over" others to "give them their food at the proper time", based on their interpretation of Matthew 24:45 ("a faithful and wise servant" KJV).

Each year at the annual "Memorial" only the Anointed Class of members partake of the emblems. Everyone else is an observer.

Did you ever think that the Memorial is only a display to keep their authority over the rank and file ? Might all the number of partakers be fake? May the whole Memorial night be phony?

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..Jehovah`s Witness Irony`s and Insanity`s...

by OUTLAW in

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this thread is dedicated to the absolute irony`s and insanity`s we witnessed(pun intended lol!!

),as jehovah`s witness`s.....in wbt$ world,not much makes sense,if you think about it......i`ll give some examples...........#1:windowless kingdom hall`s..filled with window washers!..lol!

!........#2:100`s of kingdom halls with security systems..with the security numbers set at 1-9-1-4..(no one will ever think of that..this place is safe!..lol!!

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How about not celebrating Thanksgiving but still having a small turkey for Thanksgiving dinner? Tell everyone you don't celebrate Christmas but accept gifts and cash from your employer when Christmas comes around.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-21-08 WT Study (HEARTFELT)

by blondie in

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comments you will not hear at the 12-21-08 wt study (october 15, 2008, pages (12-16)(heartfelt).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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Q 1, 2. What experience have many had, and what questions could be asked?
SOME years ago, a woman was deeply disturbed by a tragedy that occurred in her neighborhood. Born into a Roman Catholic family, she went to the local priest for help, but he was unwilling even to speak with her. So she prayed to God: "I don't know who you are... , but I know you're there. Please let me know you!" A short while later, Jehovah's Witnesses visited her and gave her the comfort and knowledge she had sought. Among many other things, they taught her that God has a personal name, Jehovah. Learning that was a very emotional experience for her. "Imagine," she said, "this was the God I had longed to know since I was a child!"

What a made up experience!

''A tragedy".......what was the tragedy?

"Born into a Roman Catholic family".......we don't know her name or what the tragedy was but we know for sure what religion the WTS can attack.

She goes to a local priest for help but he was unwilling to speak to her. .........Was he too busy? What time did she call? Why won't the writer tell us why he was unwilling to help? Maybe he had no answer to her heartfelt prayer but we all know the answer is around the corner..........Writing department,please tell us who would be the only one to answer her prayer?

She prays to God and God answers her prayer by sending Jehovah's Witnesses a short while later. She gains all the knowledge she needed.

That is our study today...... JEHOVAH'S ANSWER TO A HEARTFELT PRAYER